Statistics: Keep Sieges, Zone Locks and SC Wins in t4

[gandresch]

Hey

I am just curious if it is possible to show those statistics between the realms. I really wonder what the statistics are. I have the feeling that order is way behind and would like to see the numbers behind it and if my quess seems correct.

Or is that something you dont like to make public.

Cheers

[Haojin]

It's true, that order dominated badly.

There is no problem about population, even destro got aao order prefers staying in keep.

[ballnazor]

Yeah order not pushing out of their keeps even with AAO is probably whats keeping them down zone lock wise.

[Jebbernaut]

There are several issues that Order deals with on a nightly basis for T4 chat, here a few things that happens every night:

1. We believe spies live in T4 chat, so we don't communicate. This leads to a huge miscommunication and lack of organization.
2. I dominantly play during US prime, so there are times where we have maybe a WB, last night we had 10 people while Destro capped us. Later we had a full WB, which lagged out and got stomped, but when Destro was rolling out 4WBs we had 9 people at one point which prevented keep defenses.
3. There are balance complaints (which I won't get into because this isn't balance forums).
4. General undergeared people cruising with the 'main wb'- I.E. 40 and still no ruins gear.
5. Incompetence during keep takes - Destro has witnessed this since the lord changes. No matter what happens, someone pulls the lord badly and then we get jacked by destro during the bad pull.

TL;DR-
Order is disorganized.
Destro OP (/whinefest)
Too many 6man, cross-realming guilds
We don't have a 'big guild' anymore - Fatal maybe has at most 10 people online if they are lucky anymore.
We hate taking keeps unless we have 60%+ AAO, because we don't want to 'feed' Destro.

[peterthepan3]

in regards to scenarios from my experiences:
* Order have more active premades queuing scenarios, and so will win more of the time;
* Order generally seem to have better pug players too;
* Destro have the better premades (on the whole) and will win against order premades most of the time

[roadkillrobin]

Been very even in EU time the last couple of days, been really really fun. But there's still problems with order not pushing for zone flips and rather make sure they get a good keep defence somewere else. I dunno if order have noticed this. But the renown and influenc gain on keeps takes and zone flips that you have activly participated in has increased imensly, And it seems the more active you are, the better the RR tick is aswell.
Not pushing for flips is gonna hurt order in the long run as you can't live of keep defenses anymore.
Taking the keeps gives so much more renown that it's actually worth to stay and be persitance in a zone even if it's well defended.

[Jaycub]

* Order generally seem to have better pug players too;

I used to always say destro had better pugs, just because on average destro will get more tank/healer players than order will since class distrubition is much more even on destro. But after playing on destro for a while it's opened my eyes a bit to another factor which is RDPS are the best pugs you can have, as they generally don't need gaurd to function like MDPS do, and do much better without healer. Basically PUG groups are usually shitty and RDPS thrive much better in this enviroment than MDPS do.

Order is oversatuared with RDPS (SW/BW/Engineer) and in general I see "good" players on things like BW/SW who are willing to solo que or at least que without a full 6 compared to RDPS players on destro who only que 18v18 scenarios or literally **** live in the RvR lakes.

[Grumpbot]

My impression based on limited data is that even when numbers are relatively even, destro has a big advantage in levels/rr/gear. Destro seems to mostly have level 40s while there are a lot of order still in the low 30s.

What others have said about guilds is also very much an issue. Order seems to have a lot of guilds focused on either roleplaying or 6 man action. I don't know if we have ANY large and well organized RvR guilds.

Overall it very much has a feel of Pugs vs. premades in t4.

[lawfol]

If order pugs lack tanks,we lose miserably,if we are close to a 2-2-2 set up in pig parties we can stand our ground.

About RVR: soem of the pug leaders are simply unwilling to attack a keep if they dont have enough numbers or setup. And leading guild warbands are simply missing on order side.

[perche]

keeps need a rework, or add more doors like in fortress or bypass the wall with any system, rat ogres like in live or this baby