[Suggestion] SM Blade Enchants.

[Rebuke]

Loved Dev Gods,

I am hereby making a request to make Heaven's Blade available at lvl 20. The Swordmaster is really weak on group support as it is and having all 3 of his blade enchantsments increases his flexibility in the group somewhat.

I noticed that the SM is behind in pretty much every aspect of what the Tank Archetype brings compared to its "Tank Colleaques" (even Black Orks), be it useful CC, defense, ST damage or support. Atleast giving SM access to all his enchants in current endgame allows us to be more usefull during changing circumstances in RoR.

Yours eternally, because I am an elf.

[TenTonHammer]

Oh you’re a SM player? Don’t worry Azareal is in charge of balancing here on the RoR server and he will make sure that the class is over buffed by the time you reach t4 b/c he too is an SM main.

Having said that I, from the perspective of a destro player don’t think Sm needs any changes here atm in t2 because with bubble the class is seems extremely durable especially with SnB (and 50 million healers ordo has), as for grp utility dosnt it have stat steal and kb?

Different classes peak at different times, some classes peak early like SW's, the game was hardly Kent to be balanced at 20 but when it comes to sm and blorc I think we need to implement 1.49 pts changes before we start changing things like class abilities

[Azarael]

Oh you’re a SM player? Don’t worry Azareal is in charge of balancing here on the RoR server and he will make sure that the class is over buffed by the time you reach t4 b/c he too is an SM main.

First up, it's AzarAEl, thank you.

I'm hearing this a lot now; people expect that SM will end up being a God-tank simply because I main it. To that, i say:

- I won't be in charge of balancing this, YOU will
- Balance isn't about buffing SM, and regardless of its reputation I would rather the process did not start with SM, simply to keep the inevitable "bias!" screaming off my back
- If SM in particular were ever to become overpowered, you can expect the entire playerbase to harass me until it gets fixed (because regardless of how the process is done, it's obviously gonna be my fault), and that's something I have no intention of inviting upon myself.

On the subject of the thread: if this gets done, no matter what your reasoning, people will cry that Devs favour Order and it was changed because Azarael plays SM. Sorry, but you're out of luck unless you can build a consensus.

I also don't believe that SM needs any kind of buff in T2. Mastery abilities need fixing, but we're not there yet.

[TenTonHammer]

I'm hearing this a lot now; people expect that SM will end up being a God-tank simply because I main it.

its joke, pretty commonly said on destro, you seem like a pretty reasonably guy so no one really thinks that

[noisestorm]

The problem is that strangers cannot read your joke or ''sarcasm' and may even believe such bullsh*t

[Kaitanaroyr]

Sm doesn't need a buff as it is now at lv 40 bo and sm need to be looked at but a t2 sm can tank just fine sm isn't really a group support tank its a off tank/dps i had no problem tanking on live with a sm in t2 hell even lived through the ridiculous WC cannon when i rerolled theres alot of classes that need to be messed about with but no real point this early on.

[Zealote]

Don't really think they need buffing atm either. OTOH, I'd be interested to see trial changes to classes that're already op, and that most ppl think will continue to be so - DoK/WP, Knight spring to mind.

On a related note, will the spirit debuff portion of Heaven's Blade stack with WoH on RoR?

[Azarael]

Zealote: Yes.

Before making any changes, I'd like to see how T4 plays without potions, talismans, higher RvR sets, etc, so we can properly attribute blame for the condition of the endgame.

[Zealote]

Are there any analogous pairs/sets of buffs/debuffs that work the same way? Obv if it's a different 'type' (e.g. abil--tac, abil--morale, etc etc) they should stack, but is it the same for any/all other pairs that're both abilities but one affects multiple stats and the other affects only one. Or maybe the reason was that 1 is a normal ability and the other is a perma buff with associated proc?

E.g. I'm pretty sure zeal's str/int/bal buff (multiple stat buff) didn't stack with str pot/chosen str aura/BG's str buff/etc, so presumably the 1st reason is out.

If it's the latter reason, is/was it the same with, e.g., WH's ini steal bullets and WP's ini debuff (Castigation) - I didn't think so but can't say I'm sure at all. Or BO's Da Greenest might be a better example, did/does the armour buff proc from that stack with Tuffer 'n Nails, or the individual resist buff procs with shammy/zeal buff to all 3 resists?

[Azarael]

I'm not bothering to analyse it on that level. The character stats show that WoH and H'B stack, thus as it's been verified by the client (and evidently it worked the same way on live WAR), there is no actual discussion necessary on changing it.

Common sense would suggest that H'B would be worthless if it didn't stack with WoH, anyway.