mass heal are OP in scenarios under 40 ?

[Choupimiel]

Oy, i'm a newbie playing chosen 2h and marauder both 25 and i just dont know how my team is supposed to deal vs mass heal, i just feel useless in any situation :

As a chosen, i have ok dps and healers can even grind my health in 1v1 .
I've tried many things : stealing action point, using anti heal aura, dispatch dots to stress heal seems pointless.
I try to guard my healer, taunt phoenix guards/ repurgators that try to rush them but even then, if they have mass healing output they simply dont care to be in a middle of the backlane and dont care about being punished and focused because they get overheal.

I try sometimes to fake focus on heal to scare him and let him lose focus heal but even so healers dont care, they can easily handle me + a pure dps because healers never split stay togethers and spam mass heals, I even see some healers just staying and continue to heal + grind me.

As a marauder i feel useless too, debuff heal feel useless,even if i find lonely healer, I cant solo an archmage, cant solo rune priest, cant solo sigmar priest.

Is it me that do wrong ? What are my tools as individual to deal with it ? What my team should do ?

[jshort]

So as a tank no matter how many offensive you build you will never be able to kill a healer in 1v1 unless you outlevel/outgear the heal. Even most dps classes wont. Most healers in this game stack defensive stats in order to survive. A good endgame healer will survive for enough time to get into guard range in most situations even when focused by 2 dps if he gets crosshealed by other heals and detaunts the dps.

In some situations you can burst down a healer as a dps but this requires the heal to have done something wrong and you do everything right (meaning build, stats and used abilities)

This applies to lvl 40. In midtier however your mara will be able to kill healers.
So little guide for your marauder:

get to lvl 28/29, take armor debuff (cutting claw) and Deadly clutch tactic, get Devastator Set, and lvl 29 scenario weapons, put the best blue talismans into it you can afford/get, try to get cloak, belt and jewelry for your level with alot of strenght, and after rr30 go for 3x opportunist fo extra 9%melee crit chance. Then try to kill a healer. With level bolster your armor debuff can debuff up to 1.8k armor in t3 which is broken. It will never be so easy killing stuff again. (The level Bolster requires you to have your gear updated, if you have lets say lvl 20 gear as a lvl 30 mara the bolster wont help you as much)

For rotation: armor debuff, heal debuff, spam rend, repeat.
tactics: Brute force, Deadly Clutch, Flanking (after lvl33 switch flanking to Feeding on Fear)

with more progression get wounds debuff, after lvl 36 respec to this and get lvl 36 weapons from t4 epic quests RoR.builders - Marauder

then go for wounds debuff again.

Rotation: Thounderours Blow, Armor debuff, heal debuff, rend and TB when rdy
tactics till lvl 40: Brute force, Feeding on Fear, Deadly Cluth, Growing Instability

For scenarios you should stick with Savagery mutation. Stance dancing doesnt give you enough benefits untill you hit lvl 40.
At 40 switch Brute force to Piercing Bite

[Absinth]

Oy, i'm a newbie playing chosen 2h and marauder both 25 and i just dont know how my team is supposed to deal vs mass heal, i just feel useless in any situation :

As a chosen, i have ok dps and healers can even grind my health in 1v1 .
I've tried many things : stealing action point, using anti heal aura, dispatch dots to stress heal seems pointless.
I try to guard my healer, taunt phoenix guards/ repurgators that try to rush them but even then, if they have mass healing output they simply dont care to be in a middle of the backlane and dont care about being punished and focused because they get overheal.

I try sometimes to fake focus on heal to scare him and let him lose focus heal but even so healers dont care, they can easily handle me + a pure dps because healers never split stay togethers and spam mass heals, I even see some healers just staying and continue to heal + grind me.

As a marauder i feel useless too, debuff heal feel useless,even if i find lonely healer, I cant solo an archmage, cant solo rune priest, cant solo sigmar priest.

Is it me that do wrong ? What are my tools as individual to deal with it ? What my team should do ?

You will never solo kill a healer unless you outgear him and he is bad at being one, solo you just lack the damage to do anything, maybe WH/WE can get close to killing them 1v1 but its often mixed who wins that encounter. The issue lies with your team not being able to focus on single target aswell as use the utilty. Knock away tanks, knock down (apply heal debuff if possible) healer and have 2dps if not more focus on dealing as much damage as possible to the knocked down healer, it should be fairly easy to do as you are in sub40 and a lot of people just cant have zeroed crits in t2-t3. But the issue is that you will never have enough utility in t2-t3 as matchmaking is iffy at best and the level difference is huge in t2-t3. Most of the time you will either hope that you have more dmg than they can heal or you have more heals than they can damage. Soo yes, healers are kinda op in t2-t3 if you are running solo.

[Choupimiel]

Ty for your advise guys, yeah as marauder i'm already in path of savagery, sometimes in switch stance for monstruosity to get juicy aoe and heal.

Actualy my average rotation is : snare > touch of instability ( only casters ) > mending > corruption ( after mending to avoid dispell ) > spam dot with rend > one or two flail .
I will try to do as you say.


Yeah as a chosen i've made a reason for myself and admit i will never reach pure dps career, now i'm focusing on protect my healers / snipe dps caster/ debuff blessings

[Skullgrin]

The keys to defeating healers as a 2H Chosen are few and far between, but I can give you a bit of advice that may help.

1. The most important Auras to be running are Discordant Fluctuation for the backlash damage it causes, and Discordant Instability since your armor is useless against casters. Discordant Turbulence can also be helpful IF you are deeply spec'ed into discord, but otherwise I'd probably use Dreadful Fear or Agony.

2. Sever Blessing is your friend. You should be using it every 5 seconds if able, especially against Warrior Priests.

3. Timing interrupts is also key, but difficult to master. Both Taunt and Quake can help to shut down a caster, but timing is everything.

4. Speaking of timing, you can get Tzeentch's Reflection if you are willing to go that far into the Discord mastery tree. It is a powerful ability, but again you have to time it correctly. Going that far in Discord also gimps your damage output since you can't spec too far into Dread.

5. Ever get a healer down like 10% health and then have them instantly heal up again? Blast Wave can act as a insta-kill if you time it right and are running at least one Discord Aura, which you should be if you've taken my advice in point one. Follow it up with either Cleave or Rending Blade to add extra undefendable damage.

6. Finally, do everything you can to make them panic. Get behind them, throw your best DPS rotation at them, try to get them to run. A panicked opponent is more likely to make mistakes that you can take advantage of, and you'll need them since you're fighting at a disadvantage.

Anyway hope this helps, killing healers can be difficult. However when you pull it off there's definitely a sense of satisfaction, especially when facing them solo.

[leftside]

5. Ever get a healer down like 10% health and then have them instantly heal up again? Blast Wave can act as a insta-kill if you time it right and are running at least one Discord Aura, which you should be if you've taken my advice in point one. Follow it up with either Cleave or Rending Blade to add extra undefendable damage.

I don't understand this advice---in my experience, a wounds de-buff does exactly nothing when the target is already wounded.
Am I missing something?

[lemao]

The reason for that is because you lack more armor debuffs and healdebuffs in that level range. If you are unlucky and only get a lvl 16-20 wl or low level dps which can not afford to spec incoming healdebuffs yet it can be hard to kill healers. If you see some competent dps tho the best advice i can give to use your assist macro on him and things should still be killable.

[Mvl130]

In scenarios when the other team has multiple healers you cant kill them, even with healing debuff their healthbar does not move. They just detaunt you and heal each others and there's nothing you can do about it. Healers heal too much compared to the amount of damage other classes can inflict, they just have broken efficiency in any small scale situation. Sometimes if you outgear/outlevel them strongly you can get a kill, at even gear there's nothing you can do (and yes it makes the game boring and frustrating)

[Sulorie]

In scenarios when the other team has multiple healers you cant kill them, even with healing debuff their healthbar does not move. They just detaunt you and heal each others and there's nothing you can do about it. Healers heal too much compared to the amount of damage other classes can inflict, they just have broken efficiency in any small scale situation. Sometimes if you outgear/outlevel them strongly you can get a kill, at even gear there's nothing you can do (and yes it makes the game boring and frustrating)

That's not true as you should have multiple DD classes as well and the ability to assist.
You talk about you alone trying to kill someone with multiple enemy healers nearby?

[Scottx125]

Spoiler:

The keys to defeating healers as a 2H Chosen are few and far between, but I can give you a bit of advice that may help.

1. The most important Auras to be running are Discordant Fluctuation for the backlash damage it causes, and Discordant Instability since your armor is useless against casters. Discordant Turbulence can also be helpful IF you are deeply spec'ed into discord, but otherwise I'd probably use Dreadful Fear or Agony.

2. Sever Blessing is your friend. You should be using it every 5 seconds if able, especially against Warrior Priests.

3. Timing interrupts is also key, but difficult to master. Both Taunt and Quake can help to shut down a caster, but timing is everything.

4. Speaking of timing, you can get Tzeentch's Reflection if you are willing to go that far into the Discord mastery tree. It is a powerful ability, but again you have to time it correctly. Going that far in Discord also gimps your damage output since you can't spec too far into Dread.

5. Ever get a healer down like 10% health and then have them instantly heal up again? Blast Wave can act as a insta-kill if you time it right and are running at least one Discord Aura, which you should be if you've taken my advice in point one. Follow it up with either Cleave or Rending Blade to add extra undefendable damage.

6. Finally, do everything you can to make them panic. Get behind them, throw your best DPS rotation at them, try to get them to run. A panicked opponent is more likely to make mistakes that you can take advantage of, and you'll need them since you're fighting at a disadvantage.

Anyway hope this helps, killing healers can be difficult. However when you pull it off there's definitely a sense of satisfaction, especially when facing them solo.

I raise, your logic with my detaunt and silence. But yeah, killing healers as a tank is very hard. Pretty much because tanks just don't have the pressure to outright overwhelm a healers healing. Even some DPS don't have it. Interrupting, silencing, knocking down. Anything that results in the healer not healing helps. But it should be said. Any DPS tank is still a tank, your job is to guard and support your DPS. Your damage isn't supposed to kill targets but apply extra pressure to a target to support your DPS killing their target. On top of normal tank responsibilities like punting, crowd control, stripping buffs etc.