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salazarn
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About time you balance the roaming and not just the mass rvr of factions

Post#1 » Sat Mar 30, 2024 2:11 pm

Small scale roaming and even solo are a part of rvr. While the teamfighting of the factions is comparable, you can't deny that destro have small scale roaming on easy street.

Almost all their careers are better for like 2-6 man roaming than order.

SH > SW - with disarm off gcd and usable while stunned (lol). SW has to go melee and change a stance first.
Magus > Engi - Can just stack toughness wounds and not worry about wpnskill and can just kite and not sit their next to that stupid beer barrel pretending they are tanky.
WE > WH - regen spec need I say more
chopper > SL
Chosen > kotbs
Shaman ( a complete monstrosity solo ) > archmage - even tho it loses 1v1 to AM it can kite well and be unkillable vs just about anything else.

This isn't helped by the fact WH is pretty nerfed and so now are IB and SM which used to be better small scale classes. Meanwhile destro get to keep their S+ tier roamers intact.

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Zxul
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Re: About time you balance the roaming and not just the mass rvr of factions

Post#2 » Sat Mar 30, 2024 3:05 pm

Ahh its been some time since one of those popped up.
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reynor007
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Re: About time you balance the roaming and not just the mass rvr of factions

Post#3 » Sat Mar 30, 2024 3:29 pm

I completely agree, almost any desrto class has huge advantages compared to order we, choosen, magus, sham, sh, dok, even choppa solo became stronger after adding a new ability
and to be honest, at the moment the only class that is possible to play solo with an order is AM 50rr def we in dominator will kill any class due to witchbrew 700+dmg I don’t think anyone is interested in playing knowing that you don’t have a single chance to win the battle
WH - mdpv 80+
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CountTalabecland
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Re: About time you balance the roaming and not just the mass rvr of factions

Post#4 » Sat Mar 30, 2024 4:34 pm

OP’s post is 100% truth.

Order has nothing to offer in smallscale, they have less damage, less cc, no MDPS pulls, less mobility, and the list goes on.

Order’s skirmishing ability needs a massive buff/mirror. SW and AM need goblin speed, slayer needs pull and speed, WL needs a mirror of a Mara pull, and WH needs WE pounce and all around buff to be competitive with WE.

Also nerfs to IB and SM need to be reversed.
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ravezaar
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Re: About time you balance the roaming and not just the mass rvr of factions

Post#5 » Sat Mar 30, 2024 4:59 pm

I agree but Devs dont care for balance of smallscale or Solo never have , never will. If they had there say on the matter they just see us leave the game so dont hold u breath.
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lemao
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Re: About time you balance the roaming and not just the mass rvr of factions

Post#6 » Sat Mar 30, 2024 5:20 pm

Not sure if trolling or serious.
But atleast i had a good laugh.

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ravezaar
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Re: About time you balance the roaming and not just the mass rvr of factions

Post#7 » Sat Mar 30, 2024 5:33 pm

constructive feedback from Destro as always
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reynor007
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Re: About time you balance the roaming and not just the mass rvr of factions

Post#8 » Sat Mar 30, 2024 5:37 pm

lemao wrote: Sat Mar 30, 2024 5:20 pm Not sure if trolling or serious.
But atleast i had a good laugh.
bro, if you do not have a high understanding of the game, then you will probably have a strong frontal opponent, regardless of whether you play order or destro but anyone who knows the game well will say that at the moment destro is much stronger, all order classes except WL received very strong nerfs
WH - mdpv 80+
WE - Witchrage 80+

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Zxul
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Re: About time you balance the roaming and not just the mass rvr of factions

Post#9 » Sat Mar 30, 2024 6:46 pm

reynor007 wrote: Sat Mar 30, 2024 3:29 pm I completely agree, almost any desrto class has huge advantages compared to order we, choosen, magus, sham, sh, dok, even choppa solo became stronger after adding a new ability
and to be honest, at the moment the only class that is possible to play solo with an order is AM 50rr def we in dominator will kill any class due to witchbrew 700+dmg I don’t think anyone is interested in playing knowing that you don’t have a single chance to win the battle
So its been some time.

Reynor here is how you kill that unkillable 50 WB WE:
1. Get your corp mitigation to 40%, since it works fine vs procs. Plenty of classes have corp buffs on order, including an IB. In addition, all dwarfs have corp resist racial tactic, if you are worried that much. Also, resist lini was buffed some time ago to give +360 to all resists.
That alone will turn 700 WB into 420 WB.
2. Have enough dmg to kill the WE past the regen. Again, several classes on order can do that.

Now to go into numbers. It takes 16.8 resist to get 1% mitigation, so 16.8 * 40= 672 corp resist needed for cap. 672- 360 lini = 312 corp resist base, which any class has at 40.

So all it takes to kill 1v1 that unkillable WE is any decent dps on order using resist lini.

Edit: And for that matter, the very same lini will add 21.4% extra mitigation vs sham which order complains about so much, as well as vs magus/ sorc/ chosen in most builds/ most of dok's lifetaps.
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Re: About time you balance the roaming and not just the mass rvr of factions

Post#10 » Sat Mar 30, 2024 6:49 pm

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