Future item wipes AND What are we supposed to do?

[Shimmergloom]

First of all the obligatory thank you, love the project, tears of happiness/nostalgia, all the best, etc..

Now then, two points:

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With the latest hotfix we removed all "of Woe" , "Intruder's" and "Rune-Scribed items from player inventories. As these items were mostly held by a small number of players who were using an exploit to farm heroes, we felt it would be better to remove them all..

The quests in general, and those in T2 areas in particular are lackluster to say the least. You never know if the quest is even bugged or not, and even then the reward is usually just experience or some frankly awful item. And yes, alpha is alpha, it was the same way back on the official servers; but at least we had the option of doing PQ's and chapter influence rewards to complement that gear. And no, I'm not trying to bitch, but rather point out the current status.

Now, arguably the most "effective" way to level RoR is grind. And dear devs: when someone spends 15+ hours doing nothing but killing gors/rats/whatever, and especially if they're doing it in larger parties - blue and purple gear WILL drop. But no, you're dismissing that easily 2/3rd's of your players grinded their way to 20, on multiple characters even; that they had blue/purple drops, and that you basically shafted them because of that small number of players.

Also on the topic of killing heroes, is that illegal here? Say if and when you release tovl, will we suffer bans for using kiting or aggro reset tactics or do you have problem with a particular hero? Or what about pulling the keep lord using a pet or kots/cho auras, will you wipe all renown for all players when you reliase that some people are doing that on a daily rate?

If certain players would have reported the exploits instead of abusing them, this step of removing items wouldn't have been necessary.We hope that this attitude will change in the future, so that we won't be forced to act even even more harshly upon the community.
We apologize for any inconvenience, thank you.

I get why you did what you did.

But pray tell, what should your average player do? Ignore the "good gear" because you may wipe it in the future based on actions someone else did? Report anyone offering to trade a bunch of such gear, because they MAY HAVE exploited their way to it?

You straight up said: that unless the "attitude" of the few changes, you will be forced to "act even more harshly upon the community".
So, do Witch Hunters get additional responsibilities now, or should we all maintain some doubleplus crimestop in fear of losing stuff?

...Maybe you could introduce a nice /lynch function? You use it 2500 times and you're exempt from the next wipe.

[wargrimnir]

Within 2 days, blue and purple gear was above and beyond any reasonable point of distribution.
Within 2 days, a large part of the community was levelcapped again.

T3 isn't coming out any time soon.

So yeah, you grinded to levelcap, crapped out some gold for questionable gear, and it got wiped. Maybe it will take more than two days for the next exploit to become apparent and get whacked.
Maybe people will report exploits instead of ruining it for the rest of us.

I think it's fair to assume, and expect, wipes to come in the future. Maybe just accept it.

[Twyxx]

I think the OP didn't ever actually look into what the exploit was and why it was problematic.

[xyeppp]

I think the OP didn't ever actually look into what the exploit was and why it was problematic.

When I read about the pulling/resetting as exploiting I didn't think whether or not it's worth to read the rest.

[Shimmergloom]

crapped out some gold for questionable gear

I think the OP didn't ever actually look into what the exploit was and why it was problematic.

Yeah, nice try.

Now, arguably the most "effective" way to level RoR is grind. And dear devs: when someone spends 15+ hours doing nothing but killing gors/rats/whatever, and especially if they're doing it in larger parties - blue and purple gear WILL drop. But no, you're dismissing that easily 2/3rd's of your players grinded their way to 20, on multiple characters even; that they had blue/purple drops, and that you basically shafted them because of that small number of players.

Also on the topic of killing heroes, is that illegal here? Say if and when you release tovl, will we suffer bans for using kiting or aggro reset tactics or do you have problem with a particular hero? Or what about pulling the keep lord using a pet or kots/cho auras, will you wipe all renown for all players when you reliase that some people are doing that on a daily rate?

You don't find this "problematic"?

If certain players would have reported the exploits instead of abusing them, this step of removing items wouldn't have been necessary.We hope that this attitude will change in the future, so that we won't be forced to act even even more harshly upon the community.
We apologize for any inconvenience, thank you.

[wargrimnir]

I would be happy enough if they wiped the server clean and everyone started from level 1 with new characters. We are here to enjoy WAR, during a VERY alpha state, test it for bugs, and work together to make it a better place to play.

If you don't like that, you don't have to do it.

[Twyxx]

You don't find this "problematic"?

Imo even though I was irritated that my blue items, that I had killed mobs for however many hours for, were wiped, after learning about what the exploit actually was I understood that the wipe was necessary, so no, I don't find future wipes or anything related problematic. The same can be said about the gold/item wipe that happened- while the majority of the population didn't exploit, those that did affected others (while I don't think the farming exploit would have had such a drastic effect, I do think it would affect RvR and pricing of said items, but I digress) in the community.

[xyeppp]

I would be happy enough if they wiped the server clean and everyone started from level 1 with new characters. We are here to enjoy WAR, during a VERY alpha state, test it for bugs, and work together to make it a better place to play.

If you don't like that, you don't have to do it.

+1

People should start looking at this more as a real alpha of the game instead of expecting it to look like WAR upon release.

As for the OP,
Is it really that big of a deal that they wiped the items one day after T2 released? Could've been weeks worth of farmed items being wiped, instead it was dealt with fast and most people just went on.

[magter3001]

I would be happy enough if they wiped the server clean and everyone started from level 1 with new characters. We are here to enjoy WAR, during a VERY alpha state, test it for bugs, and work together to make it a better place to play.

If you don't like that, you don't have to do it.

+1

People should start looking at this more as a real alpha of the game instead of expecting it to look like WAR upon release.

-1

There is absolutely no reason to have everyone lose all their characters and be level 1. It may be Alpha but a little restraint should be tested. Some people spend hours just leveling their characters up, especially if you have many alts like I do.

I will say this to the original post, the wipes were needed in both cases, the wipe before T2 and the wipe during early T2. I was also upset of losing the 1 woe gear I had because of how excited I got that I won it, but again it was needed due to so many people once again abusing bugs to get an advantage.

A question for the devs though. Today I've seen Order glitch a keep lord through the keep walls and kill him, then destroying the gate after killing him to get the keep. Later, about an hour or so, I see in chat that the Destro wb needs a SH to glitch their keep lord through the walls. Both sides are doing this... so I'm a little worried if the devs are going to do something about it or will this just be a consequence to having T2 not fully finished. I am on record though that I'm ub3r happy that T2 is released and, in such great state mind you, but do wonder if I should join open RvR while this is happening or stay away from fear of being banned or disciplined, like having the oblitirator gloves wiped from my characters.

[xyeppp]

I would be happy enough if they wiped the server clean and everyone started from level 1 with new characters. We are here to enjoy WAR, during a VERY alpha state, test it for bugs, and work together to make it a better place to play.

If you don't like that, you don't have to do it.

+1

People should start looking at this more as a real alpha of the game instead of expecting it to look like WAR upon release.

-1

There is absolutely no reason to have everyone lose all their characters and be level 1. It may be Alpha but a little restraint should be tested. Some people spend hours just leveling their characters up, especially if you have many alts like I do.

I will say this to the original post, the wipes were needed in both cases, the wipe before T2 and the wipe during early T2. I was also upset of losing the 1 woe gear I had because of how excited I got that I won it, but again it was needed due to so many people once again abusing bugs to get an advantage.

A question for the devs though. Today I've seen Order glitch a keep lord through the keep walls and kill him, then destroying the gate after killing him to get the keep. Later, about an hour or so, I see in chat that the Destro wb needs a SH to glitch their keep lord through the walls. Both sides are doing this... so I'm a little worried if the devs are going to do something about it or will this just be a consequence to having T2 not fully finished. I am on record though that I'm ub3r happy that T2 is released and, in such great state mind you, but do wonder if I should join open RvR while this is happening or stay away from fear of being banned or disciplined, like having the oblitirator gloves wiped from my characters.

My +1 was to the whole point of the post, not the literal wipe he'd be happy about.

The doors on the keeps are bugged and never go down, so there is no other way to take a keep - it's definitely a glitch/"exploit" but there's no other way to flip the keep at the moment.