Lower WL burst by 30-40%.

[sven85z]

I have always tought WL single target damage was way over the top killing people in a knockdown is to much.
My endgame gear witch elf in burst spec dont even come close to my vanq gear white lion in terms of burst damage.

[Bohavwn]

WL are the reason Sorcs went extinct. It pretty much functioned as an assassin class with pounce being it's gap closer instead if stealth. Could also function on the frontlines and be as effective as slayer. Definitely needs some adjustment.

[Aethilmar]

I have always tought WL single target damage was way over the top killing people in a knockdown is to much.
My endgame gear witch elf in burst spec dont even come close to my vanq gear white lion in terms of burst damage.

So your BiS WE set up as a total glass cannon cannot do more damage than a Vanq WL.

Mmmm hmmmm ...

[Everdin]

Find nothing about him writing about HIS lion, but I have a squig with decent equip, can i make tome complains too just because I have a class?

Until now I thought i know something about lions, but never thought I need gear and ap pots to kill something...

The tools you need to counter the pet is keyboard/mouse, more game specific snare, cc or just the ability to kill it within few seconds.

No idea where you find me saying to nerf a morale, all i said was it is not true that shaman m1 is weak

Regarding the whole herassing part:

Many order leaving the game cause of zealots, please nerf zealots!

Plz show me how to counter the pet with keyboard/mouse. Plz link a video of how it can be done, I'm sure a very large number of destro cloth wearers will love to learn from that video. And most cloth wearers don't have the snares or cc of wls/sws, not to mention ability to kill a pet in a few seconds- specially while being beat by the pet and the WL with ridiculous OP dmg.

Sounds like l2p issue

More of "its not the class that can burst down def toon in a kd while also having a ridiculous mobility that is broken, its l2p issue".

Where? No idea who Farrul is, could be you with a second account!!!!!

Lol. And now it went from accusing me of trolling, to me having a second account with 415 posts. Anything else that you can came up with, to protect the broken OP class?

This here shows the real issue,
1) WL is a class with a really HIGH Floor (easy to play) but moderate in the upper Tiers of playing
2) mentioning AP pots while forgetting that this is a full GCD lost for dmg
3) thinking shaman m1 is weak

You play on different levels .... in your style of play/bracket WL is too strong and shaman m1 is weak (kiting does not matter ? ) , It may be different for other people

i dont know how Farruls Lion is called ... but killing 90% of the ppl here on the server has often more to do with the Player than the class.

It is interesting how every other class needing ap uses ap pots just fine. Despite the lost gcds.

And of cause "killing 90% of the ppl here on the server has often more to do with the Player than the class". Why not, how about you log on say choppa or mara, and show how do you kill 90% of the people on the server? Preferably within a kd, and while also having ridiculous mobility which I don't remember on choppa or mara.

Keyboard/Mouse topic: move away from it before it get close to you, If you see a pet, kill it in before it even goes your direction a pet lion without pet wont kill you, detaunt/snare/guard willl make anything come from him laughable, If he still kills you, the issue could be you are a Glass canon or failed the previous steps.

Second Account topic: should make the irony more readable, but you joint the "people create Second Accounts to bomb with nerf threads" topic in the other thread, but of course you are to honest for this, the facts you provide to your claims prove that

[Shima]

Oh another destro fanboy crying for being pwned. Get gud camarad!

[bw10]

frontloaded burst is all its got. all youve to do is be guarded and kill pet

[Farrul]

So apparently my name is being mentioned in this thread.

It is interesting how in the very same post by Farrul which I quoted he says how he can kill most def specced dps on his wL

I never ''said'' that, if you re-read i wrote and i quote myself : '' mediocre regen we's included''.

This is very specific wording, not sure how you misunderstood the meaning of it?

This implies a ''good'' regen/def WE still has the upper hand vs a WL 1vs1, an average one does not since they make too many mistakes( player fault, not class).

So if you still don't get it, all i was saying is that i do not personally think Def regen WE is that overpowered to create a balance problem as others were implying in that thread, not sure how you concluded i admit to WL being OP based on that , i certainly do not.

WL has burst and that's pretty much it, it has tons of issues and need some serious buffs/work to the pet.

Since you mention my results, if you must know i have a background in semi professional gaming, so whatever i play i will generally do above average in skill, hence i can to my experience defeat most we's on this server which i find lacking in this department, also WL due to good singletarget burst is well suited to kill a squishy spec like a WE specced glass-cannon , but the same can be true vice versa. Depends on many things in the heat of combat.

A good def WE still has the advantage and is likely to defeat a WL 1vs1.

P.S. So if you want to nerf WL dps by 30-40%, then Def WE need a 40-50% nerf to defences and the most OP class, shaman should just be deleted from the game or run speed nerfed by at least 70%!

[Sinisterror]

Imo they should allow specs like RoR.builders - White Lion Again or is there better counter to pet getting killed and if killed 75% dmg boost 10s or even 100% with Leonine Frenzy so there would be 5s downtime on wl being useful after pet dies. If you have better idea's tell how to counter pet issues tell them

[Farrul]

Imo they should allow specs like RoR.builders - White Lion Again or is there better counter to pet getting killed and if killed 75% dmg boost 10s or even 100% with Leonine Frenzy so there would be 5s downtime on wl being useful after pet dies. If you have better idea's tell how to counter pet issues tell them

Well not sure this is the thread to discuss it but, WL pet have needed buffs for a long time, considering how many important tactics and abilities and overall utility is tied to the pet, a 15 sec CD is an insane downtime from a balance polint of view, so is the general low survivability of the lion pet making it unsuited for anything else than small scale combat. It can never work in a wb and just gets killd.

In fact the loner tactic would never need to exist if lion was desgined adequately from the beginning, feels like a band-aid solution tactic to a fundamental class problem.

Here:
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[vanbuinen77]

Keep the damage.

Remove pounce and give to slayers.