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kpihuss
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Re: Shield Warrior Priest underperformance even with BiS gear

Post#31 » Wed Jun 24, 2026 12:08 pm

nocturnalguest wrote: Wed Jun 24, 2026 12:00 pm @kpihuss

Is it possible for you to redo the experiment this weekend with a build Demonito mention?
Absorb aura, WoW, PR after benediction

If i wont be away on weekend (ill prolly know by friday evening) i can join and help out as any archetype at least for some scs. Can form <6, can form 6.

I strongly suspect that if you fully adjust playstyle and build, get a bit of coordination within a group results may be completely different.

Also 40% of average DPS player is quite amazing number by itself. Its big pressure for a cost of being 88% of book WP healing. Selfprotection is also not a horrible thing as you paint it out, it can be from a) enemy "wasted" their efforts into trying to kill 60% block healer so there has been no pressure on your DPS who could do whatever they wish to b) flawed number (fluffed) due to poor methodology of how it counts, e.g. your own parry buff - it really depends on exact encounter, taking into account you ran all that in super blob sc during weekend its a huge flaw, cause dragon bane was super puggy (event times), it had literally tons of clueless orvr folks in aoe orvr specs (event times) so it may explain such big number of selfprotection just by environment itself.

tl;dr will you post such analysis in case numbers will on contrary tell completely the opposite story in case you redo the test with different build/rotation/spec? :D
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Re: Shield Warrior Priest underperformance even with BiS gear

Post#32 » Wed Jun 24, 2026 12:28 pm

My observations in terms usability of Shield spec for both Dok and WP:

The DPS spec (healing from DMG/lifetaps) i not viable anymore, you are forced to go for the bonus healing instead.
so, the split of healing is pointless now, especially since many skills are not available for 2h spec.
And this might be the reason why the spec feels/preforms below some players expectations.
Since if player is building for heal bonus, heal increase he won’t be doing dmg and should be design for heal slot in wb, and while if he is building for dps he does not provide enough dmg or healing to be viable as dps slot.

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Re: Shield Warrior Priest underperformance even with BiS gear

Post#33 » Wed Jun 24, 2026 5:51 pm

Don't get me wrong, shield wp lacks something
Just think it's best to max Mcrit>Fstrike(under 0%)>block in that order (then str or armor/wounds)
Survivability is fine with mini 20% block as long tank can switch guard fast (and you can hit stuff)
You can spec without Pious Restoration/Divine Warding but you need Sigmar's Shield at least
Then I'm no expert, better trust Rydiak guide or other's advices

wonshot wrote: Tue Jun 23, 2026 9:53 pm Shield healers are probably more amazing in some scenarios than others. Stuff like Brightwizard collage just planting on the flag, having a layout and mechanic where the enemy has to come to you, and not too much space for ranged to kite you. Compared to Serpents passage where ranged will bunny jump no scope you down from the distance.

That's the real deal
Tried few sc (80sov dok/50dp wp) and it was always hardcore gameplay in Serpent's
Shield best place to shine in sc is small maps
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Re: Shield Warrior Priest underperformance even with BiS gear

Post#34 » Wed Jun 24, 2026 9:44 pm

Umm, wouldn't a full set of Sovereign set of the Martyr be BiS?

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Re: Shield Warrior Priest underperformance even with BiS gear

Post#35 » Wed Jun 24, 2026 11:23 pm

Demonito wrote: Wed Jun 24, 2026 3:27 am
Mvl130 wrote: Tue Jun 23, 2026 7:59 pm I'm curious, why do you say that healdebuff is no longer a good option ?

Only cause you can't take it with Pious Restoration, the best spell to cast after Benediction
+ in a balanced sc you're always under pressure, non stop spammin' heal. 1 lifetap makes a huge dif'
Also have to aim the weakest target at range to max the healing (often means hittin' pets...)
Better leave HD to a sw/slayer/dps wp... If nobody has it your team prob ain't great
Heal Archmage can easily take it tho
If your team is safe, you can still assist with silence/purge/slow/(de)buff ect...
Okay, and another question, what combination of set would you use with your recommended build ?

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Re: Shield Warrior Priest underperformance even with BiS gear

Post#36 » Thu Jun 25, 2026 2:09 am

5sov+4vic is prob the meta as usual
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Re: Shield Warrior Priest underperformance even with BiS gear

Post#37 » Thu Jun 25, 2026 11:15 am

Or 3+3+3 with Sov + Victorious + Warlord (or DPS darkpromisse)

So you will stack a lot of Str and Wounds/WS
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Re: Shield Warrior Priest underperformance even with BiS gear

Post#38 » Mon Jun 29, 2026 1:06 pm

Weekly report 25-29 June 2026: Shield WP in scenarios

I am still testing Shield WP in scenarios. This week I used a shorter format and focused on the combined data.

For this report I used:

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Level 40
WP damage >= 10% of the average damage of active DPS players in the same scenario
Minimum of 4 valid scenarios
Manual removal of confirmed false positives
I use the 10% threshold because I do not want to remove games where the WP was playing shield but had low melee uptime, was kited, or could not generate RF efficiently. This filter does not prove high melee uptime; it only removes cases that look too much like Book WP or have no real melee activity.

My own data is included in the global Shield WP comparison, but I am not separating it as a personal section in this post.

Build note

I have been testing the build Demonito mentioned. Honestly, I do not like it very much.

The main issue is Pious Restoration. It still consumes too much RF for the healing it provides. In practice, it only feels useful when I am not engaged in melee, or to cast it just before entering combat.

Once you are already fighting, RF is too important for Sigmar’s Will / Divine Assault, and Pious Restoration directly competes with those heals. Very often, the RF cost does not feel worth it.

Shield WP sample

These are the Shield WPs that meet the filter. Names are anonymized.

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Player       SC   RR   Win%   Heal/min   Heal others/min   Prot others   Prot received   Deaths   Res   Self prot %
Kpihuss      39   90   43.6   15.90k     11.83k             8.85k        21.76k          1.44     1.05  63.3%
Rxxxxx       20   90   25.0   16.49k     13.26k             8.27k        16.93k          0.55     0.65  64.7%
Sxxxxxxxx    29   83   65.5    8.45k      6.04k            22.52k        33.39k          2.14     0.24  54.9%
Rxxxxxx       5   52   40.0    8.30k      6.20k             8.58k        12.49k          1.40     0.20  52.3%
There are clearly different profiles here.

Kpihuss and Rxxxxx are the stronger healing profiles. Sxxxxxxxx looks more like a protection/absorb profile, probably using the shield prayer instead of the healing prayer.

I would not present that protection as a direct advantage. It is not free extra value. It is a tradeoff: more absorption/protection, but much less useful healing.

Combined Shield WP result

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SCs: 93
Players: 4 (of 548 WP reviewed on the weekend)
Average RR: 85.8
Winrate: 46.2%

Heal/min: 13.30k
Heal others/min: 10.03k
Protection to others: 12.97k
Protection received: 23.85k
Deaths: 1.46
Resurrections: 0.67

Damage vs average active DPS: 35.9%
Kill damage vs average active DPS: 30.0%
Self-protection over total protection: 59.0%
Compared against other healers in the same scenarios:

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Heal/min:             76.5% of other healers
Heal others/min:      65.6% of other healers
Protection to others: 106.3% of other healers
Protection received:  272.8% of other healers
Deaths:               186.0% of other healers
Resurrections:         80.0% of other healers
The protection number needs context. Protection to others being slightly above other healers does not automatically mean the spec is outperforming them. Part of that value likely comes from using the shield prayer instead of the healing prayer.

So this is better read as a profile shift:

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Less useful healing
More absorption/protection
Much higher external protection received
More deaths
Comparison by RR bracket

I also separated the comparison by RR bracket, using 10-level ranges. Only brackets where the Shield WP sample has valid entries are shown.

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RR       Shield SC   Other healer entries   Heal/min   Heal others/min   Prot others   Prot received   Deaths
50-59    5           31                     72.6%      64.1%             81.6%        116.0%          111.3%
80-89    29          213                    42.2%      33.6%            170.6%        470.7%          450.9%
90+      59          3                      69.1%      59.3%             89.5%         88.9%          113.6%
Comparison against Order healer classes

This compares the filtered Shield WP sample against Order healers from the same scenarios.
The Shield WP rows are excluded from the class averages.

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Group              Entries   Players   Avg RR   Heal/min   Heal others/min   Prot others   Prot received   Deaths   Res
Shield WP sample   93        4         85.8     13.30k     10.03k            12.97k        23.85k          1.46     0.67
Book WP  healers   50        30        74.6     16.52k     14.22k            14.21k        10.12k          0.84     0.80
Archmage           57        30        76.2     20.37k     18.70k             4.73k         4.23k          0.51     1.18
Rune Priest        59        36        75.3     16.47k     14.59k            21.48k         8.37k          1.14     1.08
Relative performance of the Shield WP sample:

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Compared to        Heal/min   Heal others/min   Prot others   Prot received   Deaths   Res
Book WP  healers   80.5%      70.5%             91.3%         235.6%          174.1%   83.3%
Archmage           65.3%      53.7%            274.1%         564.3%          287.4%   56.7%
Rune Priest        80.7%      68.8%             60.4%         285.0%          128.8%   61.5%
Conclusion
The general tradeoff still looks questionable:
  • Useful healing to others remains clearly below other healers.
  • Protection to others can go up, especially with the shield prayer, but that comes at the cost of healing. It is not a good deal.
  • Protection received is much higher than another healers.
  • Deaths are much higher than another healers.
  • A large part of total protection is still self-protection.
  • Damage remains far below real DPS output.
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Re: Shield Warrior Priest underperformance even with BiS gear

Post#39 » Mon Jun 29, 2026 2:36 pm

I still miss the damage numbers. Imo shield priest is a support class with divided between dmg and heal. I can live with less healing compared with pure healer as long the dmg is quiet equal. Not as high as pure dps ofc. Shouldn´t be anyway.
I´m really interested in both numbers. Atm we are only talking about healing, shield priest is a sort of hybrid and u need to take everything into account.
Can u also share your dmg vs. healing?
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Re: Shield Warrior Priest underperformance even with BiS gear

Post#40 » Mon Jun 29, 2026 3:58 pm

Mortgrimm wrote: Mon Jun 29, 2026 2:36 pm I still miss the damage numbers. Imo shield priest is a support class with divided between dmg and heal. I can live with less healing compared with pure healer as long the dmg is quiet equal. Not as high as pure dps ofc. Shouldn´t be anyway.
I´m really interested in both numbers. Atm we are only talking about healing, shield priest is a sort of hybrid and u need to take everything into account.
Can u also share your dmg vs. healing?
Damage vs healing data

Method used for the Shield WP sample:

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Shield WP:

* Filtered Shield WP sample
* Level 40+
* 10% damage threshold against average active DPS damage
* Minimum of 4 valid scenarios
* Manually removed confirmed false positives

Entries = scenario participations, not unique players.
Shield WP damage vs healing

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Shield WP sample:
SCs: 93
Players: 4
Average RR: 85.8

Average healing:            84.05k
Average healing to others:  62.27k
Average damage:             20.69k
Average kill damage:         5.25k

Heal/min:                   13.30k
Heal others/min:            10.03k

Damage / total healing:       24.6%
Kill damage / total healing:   6.2%

Damage / healing to others:    33.2%
Kill damage / healing others:   8.4%
Damage and protection compared to DPS classes

All available weeks combined.

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Group / class      Ent Players RR   Damage Kill dmg Kill% Prot total Prot others Prot recv Deaths
Shield WP sample   448 19      73.9 25.85k 6.61k    25.6% 33.10k     11.84k      27.11k    1.96
Choppa             469 114     74.8 85.60k 32.80k   38.3% 7.08k      0.00k       44.95k    2.23
Engineer           345 112     72.3 84.64k 24.27k   28.7% 2.31k      0.45k       9.14k     1.58
Magus              265 87      71.4 83.44k 26.17k   31.4% 1.45k      0.00k       12.15k    1.58
Shadow Warrior     538 145     76.5 80.11k 28.44k   35.5% 2.22k      0.00k       10.43k    1.47
Squig Herder       515 166     74.8 74.04k 29.54k   39.9% 2.55k      0.22k       11.20k    1.31
Shaman             155 37      78.1 73.40k 25.07k   34.2% 7.06k      2.07k       6.84k     1.03
Bright Wizard      344 88      75.6 72.28k 20.40k   28.2% 1.97k      0.03k       14.76k    1.79
Warrior Priest     164 50      75.7 72.16k 20.41k   28.3% 10.37k     3.54k       31.89k    1.98
Sorcerer           253 90      73.9 67.81k 26.55k   39.2% 2.55k      0.70k       11.43k    1.46
Zealot              28 13      73.9 67.71k 19.35k   28.6% 17.22k     8.73k       14.52k    1.64
Rune Priest         32 16      71.1 65.01k 14.04k   21.6% 5.87k      2.08k       21.82k    1.28
White Lion         411 127     72.0 63.78k 24.88k   39.0% 4.77k      0.55k       27.71k    1.88
Archmage            94 32      73.1 62.80k 17.77k   28.3% 11.37k     4.33k       8.46k     1.63
Slayer             325 101     72.2 62.70k 20.03k   31.9% 5.39k      0.06k       35.91k    2.43
Marauder           435 124     73.9 61.47k 24.87k   40.5% 6.76k      0.00k       34.33k    1.57
Disciple of Khaine  84 30      69.8 57.31k 22.96k   40.1% 10.43k     3.44k       31.32k    2.68
Witch Hunter       441 123     74.1 51.72k 19.73k   38.2% 5.13k      0.03k       16.13k    1.87
Witch Elf          535 137     73.0 50.29k 24.16k   48.0% 8.59k      0.00k       21.66k    1.75
Shield WP compared to all DPS

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Shield WP average damage:       25.85k
All DPS average damage:         69.14k
Shield WP damage vs DPS avg:    37.4%

Shield WP average kill damage:  6.61k
All DPS average kill damage:    25.02k
Shield WP kill dmg vs DPS avg:  26.4%

Shield WP Kill%:                25.6%
All DPS Kill%:                  36.2%
Damage and protection by RR bracket

All available weeks combined.

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RR    Shield SC DPS Ent Shield dmg DPS dmg Dmg vs DPS Shield kill DPS kill Kill vs DPS Shield Kill% DPS Kill%
30-39 5         38      18.81k     41.54k  45.3%      2.81k       8.07k    34.8%       14.9%        19.4%
40-49 26        222     21.67k     41.04k  52.8%      5.78k      13.10k    44.1%       26.7%        31.9%
50-59 38        591     18.95k     52.32k  36.2%      5.65k      17.47k    32.3%       29.8%        33.4%
60-69 130       895     24.17k     58.54k  41.3%      6.01k      19.33k    31.1%       24.9%        33.0%
70-79 41        1201    23.43k     67.33k  34.8%      5.39k      23.77k    22.7%       23.0%        35.3%
80-89 85        2229    28.57k     80.71k  35.4%      7.47k      30.74k    24.3%       26.2%        38.1%
90+   123       252     29.87k     81.69k  36.6%      7.69k      31.55k    24.4%       25.8%        38.6%
Protection by RR bracket

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RR    Shield prot others DPS prot others Shield prot recv DPS prot recv Shield deaths DPS deaths
30-39 6.41k              0.33k           17.46k          19.82k        4.00          2.42
40-49 9.52k              0.51k           23.81k          16.43k        2.88          2.34
50-59 8.72k              0.45k           11.66k          17.88k        2.92          2.31
60-69 6.72k              0.48k           26.44k          19.29k        2.63          2.05
70-79 14.18k             0.34k           23.49k          21.05k        1.32          1.95
80-89 19.28k             0.57k           29.35k          22.46k        1.64          1.32
90+   13.00k             0.43k           33.33k          26.40k        1.13          1.20
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