Should shield WP/DoK dissapear?

[M0rw47h]

Hello community, i am making this post to ask an overall question, should the shield WP/Dok Classes and gear disappear and all RvR ones be refunded? I make this post because after reading excellent posts, expecially from Kpihuss (sorry if i spelled wrong), about the underperforming shield WP even with BiS gear and other posts speaking about DoK and how things are right now, and i agree with Kpihuss that this class is either overpowered or trash, and that even though it gives these classes the possibility to play hybrid, it can do a little of everything but can't do anything really good (except book healing). So my overall question for this is, make the shield skills such as sigmar's grace able to be used as 2h and finish off shield gear? What is your opinion? It also would open WP/Dok to have a proper offensive SOV set since for both classes it is for shield currently.

If the Shield spec would be removed, then there is a need to figure out a 2H healing spec, witch might be worst to create.

I think it still would be easier to balance, as shield itself is problematic.
Meanwhile, it's rather easy to tie lifetaps to tactics, which could simply reduce outgoing damage.

[Mvl130]

Having a shield is a convenient way for both teammates and the enemy to know which WP/DoK is a melee healer and which isn't

[gisborne]

Ps: Please remove shield transmog to sword for dok, it's unfair for orda
(and fix the shield animation while dok is running)

Hell no, leave fashionhammer alone, there's setting to disable ppl's cosmetics if you're that worried about that (user settings -> server tab), would you want to have weapon cosmetic from Saga event removed too?

Actually yes, the Saga cosmetic should be limited time. All special cosmetics should be limited time (anything that has no stats, like santa hats, masks, etc.) but I don't think they have the capability to implement that.

Also, the DoK 2nd sword while wielding a chalice is a bug.

[gisborne]

Looking at how these devs “balance” as a whole, they have no business trying to create new specs. Everything they do is either way over buffed or way over nerfed and then they leave it that way for years despite dozens of forum posts showing their error.

Stick to the 2 mythic gave you.

DAoC, live AoR, GW2, WoW...all of them had/have terrible balance. Consider that maybe balancing PvP isn't as easy as you seem to think it is. I'd also bet that even if the game were perfectly balanced, people would still whine and think it is unbalanced.

[Sinisterror]

If shield stays than can we get an actual DPS Sov set? It sucks that WP/DoK are the only classes that don't have access. You know, it would be sweet to have 6% Crit and 15% Crit Damage...

This is the only mirroring that should happen! All Mdps+DpsWpDok Offensive Sets should all Share same setbonuses, but different individual set pieces. Dps Am/Shammy share Magic range dps set bonuses. Rp/Zeal share Engi/Magus set bonuses. And individual set pieces for all obviously. This used to be for Engi/magus/Ze/Rp only! Bewildering - On hit: 10% chance to increase cast times by 05s for 7 seconds,Works on melee and Ranged attacks.

Thats nice, we need those kind of things back

[Alubert]

No.
The devs spent too much time creating a new spec from scratch, and it would be a waste of their time to scrap it.

I’d balance this spec in small steps.
It used to be way overpowered—I remember how, in ranked SCS, SNB Dok/WP was dealing the highest damage and providing the most healing.
Changing that was a very good decision because that spec was broken.
But they shouldn’t have changed everything so drastically. They should have gradually adjusted the SNB Dok/WP damage versus Lifetap healing.

I think healing should stay around the pre-patch values, but damage should be reduced to current levels so that SNB Dok/WP damage never comes close to DPS damage.

[Cullenn]

Hello community, i am making this post to ask an overall question, should the shield WP/Dok Classes and gear disappear and all RvR ones be refunded? I make this post because after reading excellent posts, expecially from Kpihuss (sorry if i spelled wrong), about the underperforming shield WP even with BiS gear and other posts speaking about DoK and how things are right now, and i agree with Kpihuss that this class is either overpowered or trash, and that even though it gives these classes the possibility to play hybrid, it can do a little of everything but can't do anything really good (except book healing). So my overall question for this is, make the shield skills such as sigmar's grace able to be used as 2h and finish off shield gear? What is your opinion? It also would open WP/Dok to have a proper offensive SOV set since for both classes it is for shield currently.

If the Shield spec would be removed, then there is a need to figure out a 2H healing spec, witch might be worst to create.

It loses shield but since lifetaps healing depends on damage, maybe this will be easier to adress.

[live4treasure]

In what practical scenario do you envision a grace WP perform better with a 2h than one with a shield? Same question for the DoK equivalent.

Also, sure, we can remove it and make its abilities accessible to 2h/dual wield. We will just have to nerf regular DPS WP/DoK into the ground, to ensure that it does not end up performing two roles at once.

I imagine them doing better since, this class mechanic overall is to heal party/aoe ppl close to him with lifetap damage, with the 2h the damage would be akmplified while also losing shield would make it a fair trade in my opinion, since you no longer would be able to block.

Based on your reply, the conclusion is that you not only don't understand how the game plays out in any team vs team environment, but you cannot even begin to imagine it. If I were you, I would ask people who are actually good at the game for some advice and/or help before you form an opinion. Otherwise you will spiral down a pathway of thinking the excuses you give yourself are the reality of the game.

You're already spiraling.

[Cullenn]

In what practical scenario do you envision a grace WP perform better with a 2h than one with a shield? Same question for the DoK equivalent.

Also, sure, we can remove it and make its abilities accessible to 2h/dual wield. We will just have to nerf regular DPS WP/DoK into the ground, to ensure that it does not end up performing two roles at once.

I imagine them doing better since, this class mechanic overall is to heal party/aoe ppl close to him with lifetap damage, with the 2h the damage would be akmplified while also losing shield would make it a fair trade in my opinion, since you no longer would be able to block.

Based on your reply, the conclusion is that you not only don't understand how the game plays out in any team vs team environment, but you cannot even begin to imagine it. If I were you, I would ask people who are actually good at the game for some advice and/or help before you form an opinion. Otherwise you will spiral down a pathway of thinking the excuses you give yourself are the reality of the game.

You're already spiraling.

And why you say that?

[illumius]

There are a number of simple rules that will make any WP popular.
1) If you want to heal in PvP, use a book.
2) If you want to heal in PvE, use a shield.
3) If you want to hit people in the head, use a 2h.
4) If you're fighting 6v6, you may need a shield at some points