[PTS] +25 talismans, poll and feedback

[Endari]

At no point should anything from PvE be BiS or near BiS. No BiS talis, No BiS weapons, No BiS armour. Stop the carebareization of the server.

[gisborne]

At no point should anything from PvE be BiS or near BiS. No BiS talis, No BiS weapons, No BiS armour. Stop the carebareization of the server.

You're so hardcore, earning those crests for PvDoor.

[Endari]

You're so hardcore, earning those crests for PvDoor.

If wanting this RvR game to stay RvR and not go full carebear makes me "hardcore" then sure call me "hardcore"

[rorswar]

At no point should anything from PvE be BiS or near BiS. No BiS talis, No BiS weapons, No BiS armour. Stop the carebareization of the server.

100%.

I'd also like to add that I couldn't care less about +25 talisman. Difference vs +24 is marginal, so the effort just really doesn't make it worthwhile.

[M0rw47h]

While I think PvE shouldn't give BiS or close to BiS, BUT... PvE giving BiS or close to BiS items is GREAT for new players, as they can get their DP armor + BL weapons without suffering PvP in crap gear.

Which brings my toughts about proper itemization, where ALL CR 40 armors should have exacly same armor/stat value, yet distributed differently and each of them should be good at something, even if SOV/WL would be BiS. The whole idea of armor tiers is outdated concept, especially when you skip whole ward system by week of PvE.

[OceanSoul]

Just an observation - ppl are saying RoR is a mix of pvp and pve, but no one saying that pve is fun.

That's just basic human nature though, people don't usually feel the need to post walls of texts about things they enjoy - they save that for complaints.

Combine that with the percentage of active players who frequent the forums being quite low, and the fact that most people apparently come to the forums exclusively to whine about a class that killed them in PvP and you have three good reasons why perhaps forum posts aren't particularly representative of people enjoying PvE.

Nah, I've meant the guys who have commented in this thread specifically - they were all talking about RoR being a mix of PvP and PvE, and thats the reason we should keep it this way, but none of them have said that PvE is fun and that they like PvE.

[gersy]

At no point should anything from PvE be BiS or near BiS

+1

[tsyuryu]

can you buy the +25 talis on ah ? because if this is the case i prefere to farm gold in rvr with the weekly or selling what i drop, that do any speedrun dungeon lol even if it take me 6 month to get the gold needed

[wonshot]

Alright thanks for voting, and commenting guys.
As we already saw one mini patch and adjustments to the PTS patch. I guess its sorta safe to assume this feedback will also not be listend to. Which is fine, your server and your rules. If you so strongly belive in this direction of having pve inclusing BiS, even for something as tiny as +8 mainstats. So be it.

I personally will not care too much, I voted to hopefully see more avenues to get these as a middleground as it will not really affect me. But I had a strong feeling that this community disagreed with this direction, and I wanted to see if that was the case. Maybe the poll could had been multiplechoice, maybe more vote options. But here we are.

My final comment on the matter, will just be to highlight that there was not a single good explanation nor reasoning dropped in the 11 pages of feedback towards +25s on the roadmap. Not a single solid argument of why Pve needs to have BiS tier of items and powercreep in this game. Ive argued that pve already serves enough purpose in "fun", progression in wards, and economy reasons to keep it relevant and replayable. Forcing bis behind pve content honestly, it feels insecure that you dont think the content will be well recieved and used, without bis gatekeeping. Sorry just putting that out there.

[Samplesize] If 45% or so of your playerbase disagrees with your direction, and 33% doesnt care for the addition. Maybe rethink if your vision and direction is just your own pride. I am honestly afraid of how the future of RoR will look like when you will impliment LOTD part2, minitombs, Tovl, Collosus and City siege PQ raids. Since this is your direction you have chosen. And we for sure can expect more pve powercreep from more "real pve" content as such.
This was my attempt to atleast highlight the unhappiness you can expect to face, when we get to that point.

[calipso]

Option “ Other “

Ive been playing this game for years, in fact i have one of the oldest account RoR has.
Throughout the years ive seen many, many things, mostly how this server has been managed. And one thing is for sure: dont get stuck over implementations.
Equipment has been reworked as well as abilities, maps, scenarios and other things.
As an example im going to take Triumph and Jewellery.
It started as a locked content for those willing to accept the challenge, to years later open it up for everyone. The jewel was priced really high as a final BiS reward. Now we are under another rework and isn’t expensive like it used to, even more, you got a refund for it.
My point is, as it has been shown over the years, every step they have made it has been reworked at some point.
Tbh, I don’t have the time nor the willingness to farm these talisman, im one of those that enjoys the game parting up with friends for some shenanigans, what can i say. Im not going to spend more than 1k on AH to buy them either (bet they will be around that price).
I admire those who are already rubbing their hands with such profit, making pve alive, but the vast majority i know just do pve to equip their alts and once they are done wont do it again, not even for +1 stat.