Ranked sc's and item pre-requisites

[Nekkma]

Worst suggestion I have ever read here and that is quite the achievement on these boards.

To begin with, your main premise that an endless gear grind is the "main concept" of an mmorpg is incorrect. Some games use that model yes, but not all. For instance, I specifically left WoW in 2008 to get away from the constant gear grind. This game never had that and there is no reason what so ever to introduce it now.

Second, this is very unfriendly for alts as it forces you to repeat content constantly to stay competitive. So I should spend, 1,5 hours plus 5 wins in ranked (2 hours with decent pop rate and win rate?) to use sov+sentinel trinket? That is a substantial percent of many peoples play time for a week. Spent on, for many players, an unwanted activity.

What about other aspects of the game when I have full sov? Lets add participation in 2 forts, 2 city sieges and 10 pug scenarios as a prerequisite to que ranked. Sounds like a fantastic system to make people play all aspects of the game, no?

[emiliorv]

Spoiler:

Ok, so your suggestion is to introduce another great f.e. jewelry set from scenarios (like better genesis). And introduce the pre-requisite I suggest? Great suggestion! You could have said that without drama

Ranked sc giving BiS rewards is against the "ranked concept itself => Ranked SCs was born because high skilled players needed a plataform to match ones against others. In the moment that those SCs bring any kind of BiS reward ppl will grind it to get the reward and finally you will get ranked SCs plenty of ppl with no clue of competitive gameplay, and who dont mind the "competitive scene"...only want the reward...

After that point (where the "competitive scene" was totally ruined) the "competitive players" will start the complain again to get a plataform for their competitive matchs...that point was passed some moths ago...

RoR team invested quite some time into MMR.

Sad true. RoR team invested a really value time/effort into the ranked SC/MMR and now all the players who complain (for months) to get this content are not using it...maybe they think twice before follow (again) the desires of the "competitive community" and dont waste his time/effort in sterile content.

[popperz]

Worst suggestion I have ever read here and that is quite the achievement on these boards.

To begin with, your main premise that an endless gear grind is the "main concept" of an mmorpg is incorrect. Some games use that model yes, but not all. For instance, I specifically left WoW in 2008 to get away from the constant gear grind. This game never had that and there is no reason what so ever to introduce it now.

Second, this is very unfriendly for alts as it forces you to repeat content constantly to stay competitive. So I should spend, 1,5 hours plus 5 wins in ranked (2 hours with decent pop rate and win rate?) to use sov+sentinel trinket? That is a substantial percent of many peoples play time for a week. Spent on, for many players, an unwanted activity.

What about other aspects of the game when I have full sov? Lets add participation in 2 forts, 2 city sieges and 10 pug scenarios as a prerequisite to que ranked. Sounds like a fantastic system to make people play all aspects of the game, no?

Now we are in unique situation since the project already had a live version. Did you have rr100 character? What happened to the project when progression was stopped?
And what happens with online when new stuff (even when the scenario trinkets) are introduced? What happened when now sovereign was introduced? You can now see even "dinosaur" nicknames being active. So, yes endless progression is the concept of MMORPG.
If you find something unfriendly for alts you need to have argumentation. Now to find a gunbad group or any pve group takes minutes depending on your class, on dps it is harder. If the "forced" system was not introduced the only option is to have guild, which has pity for your alt or if the gear is middle-range nobody cares. BB/BE was a dead dungeon on live. So yes, the idea of RoR team to "force" people to do something like sentinel is VERY healthy for alts and new players.

[Nekkma]

I played the the vast majority of time on live as max ranked with bis gear. It was fantastic to just play and enjoy the game without beeing forced to do specific tasks just to stay relevant.

Back then i felt the game began when i dinged rr80, certainly not ended.

Edit: Note that endless progression is not the same as endless gear progression. I'm in favour fo the first and against the latter.

[popperz]

I played the the vast majority of time on live as max ranked with bis gear. It was fantastic to just play and enjoy the game without beeing forced to do specific tasks just to stay relevant.

Back then i felt the game began when i dinged rr80, certainly not ended.

In that case you need to know that you played several hours a week max. Because that is what happens when you are BiS gear for months. Or your hypothesis is that servers were constantly merged/reduced due to "max ranked with bis gear. It was fantastic " experience. It just means you are an exception.

For the mass amount of people "progression" or some sort of dynamics is required. You can easily see the fluctuations in populations now when something is introduced.
Nobody forces you to play ranked according to the suggestion. But you feel offended just by the suggestion that you need to "update" your BiS gear constantly to be BiS. While being not BiS (which does not affect your experience in 99% of situations) somehow is not ok with you.

Basically you want to participate only in very limited amount of game (f.e. just RvR) and be BiS. And leave the rest of the game like dungeons, ranked sc, PQ's or any other activity dead. Also, you are against gear progression/updates...it sounds selfish and wrong. Also there is plenty of history that it's a bad plan. Lastly, the original suggestion was not to make NEW gear to increase the gap between low rr players and high tier, but to make the EXISTENT gear to be "sentinel" ring like. It would force players like you to be active or be not BiS, which is great.

[Nekkma]

This server is full of the "exceptions". I doubt this server would even exist if it wasn't for the "exceptions". I played for several hours a day at max rank, not a week, most of the time. In the periods I was less active I played 2-4 times a week for 2-4 hours. I also played alts a bit when I hit max rank but I never got an alt up to max (had 2 alts rr 95+).

[popperz]

This server is full of the "exceptions". I doubt this server would even exist if it wasn't for the "exceptions". I played for several hours a day at max rank, not a week, most of the time. In the periods I was less active I played 2-4 times a week for 2-4 hours. I also played alts a bit when I hit max rank but I never got an alt up to max (had 2 alts rr 95+).

I am sorry but your argumentation is not sufficient. Read the post above. You want to play comfortable and be BiS just by investing several hours a week doing what you like and leaving rest to die. That is selfish and we have actual proof that it is a bad strategy for the game.

[wargrimnir]

Scenarios are just a mini-game.